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welcome to tales from the rabbit hole

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i'm your host mick west my guest today

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is

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dj thermal detonator at least that's the

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name he goes by

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and we're going to talk about a couple

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of topics that are very close to my

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heart which i've been looking at for

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many years

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uh 911 and the 911 control demolition

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theory in particular

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and uh chemtrails which is kind of what

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i got

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started out debunking with and uh

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dj thermal detonator uh or thermal

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detonator for short

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dj thermal detonator welcome details

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from the rabbit hole

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thank you thank you for having me on so

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you contacted me on twitter like a few

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times and

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you told me that you've been working on

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some uh videos about

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doing 911 and then you also told me that

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9 11

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specifically some of the controlled

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demolition theories and you know a lot

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of the people

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who are promoting these theories because

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you've

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quite a long time is that right

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yeah um yeah i've been in we are change

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la since

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2008 but i became like a activist or

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awake like 2007. so what was your uh

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your red pill moment back in 2007

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sadly like a lot of people loose change

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second edition

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and probably i believe it was posted on

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a music forum

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then this was also in the beginning of

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myspace and that whole heyday of social

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so i was just kind of overwhelmed the

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only thing i kind of

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latched on to was the ron paul movement

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movement at first

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before i really discovered alex jones

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and infowars and all that

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which probably came which happened the

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following year

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after i uh parted ways from my job at

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amoeba music in hollywood

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okay so that was also been kind of been

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that's kind of my real background is

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because i'm dj

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i've worked in the music industry kind

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of in that level

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you know managed managed bands and so

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just kind of been familiar with you know

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film releases distribution of films and

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stuff so

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i kind of just kind of kept an eye on

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things and i was already having problems

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with the

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questioning the entire story just from

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even michael moore's film fahrenheit 911

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that film you know at first made me kind

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of wonder maybe there's a

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a bush bin laden conspiracy going on

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here maybe these things that

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i've heard other people talk about of

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world government of

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all these kind of global kind of

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conspiracies kind of you always hear

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kind of rumors about that was their

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looming that was there for a couple of

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years while i was working at amoeba

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you know and then just kind of seeing

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that the war on terrors is not

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making any sense at all and then

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2007 has lose change then you know

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freaking out over the

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demolitions and all that but the real

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debunking probably i'm more

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definitely more focused on is the all

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the uh the no plane stuff

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you know mainly the pentagon strike

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right that i think is

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probably much more very damaging

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yeah so back in say 2008 when you you

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say you joined we are changed now we are

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uh i guess what what is vr change can

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you describe what it was at the time

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when you joined it

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well weird change was just basically a

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reaction from uh the

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9 11 truth groups and it started in new

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um with a son of a

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police officer who died wallace that's

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his name

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kind of talked about it's all kind of

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covered in an alex jones documentary

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that's called a 911 truth chronicles uh

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truth rising he passed away from some

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really strange

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kid dan wallace

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died in his sleep but he was the one

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that kind of came up with this idea of

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being the change you want to be

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because 9 11 truth groups weren't going

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to do anything they were just kind of i

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doing their film gatherings doing you

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know there's kind of a pretty much a

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conspiracy theory support group

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so you know they weren't they weren't

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doing anything about it you know and a

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lot of people were

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um just motivated they wanted to wake

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people up

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and get the media out there just because

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you know if they were still in the

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beginning stages of social media

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you know you know you don't even really

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have youtube out you know at that point

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youtube's not hosting the extended long

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films like it did you know back in the

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10 minute segments and stuff

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yeah so i remember i remember we are

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change back in the day they did a lot of

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kind of uh like concentration type

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things they would go up to politicians

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you know get them on film yeah luke

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rudowsky got in there and

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uh and that's just became this whole

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activism journalist ambush journalist

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that was really pushed by alex jones and

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uh little chapters started popping up

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afterwards i was and we were already

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starting to do we were already starting

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some of these ambush pieces already

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we've even had you know one of our early

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uh jeremy roth gushell they were

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appearing on uh

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bill maher's talk show you know trying

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to get him to talk about building seven

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so that was going on at first so yeah

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that that's it was

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it was being an activist group waking

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people up on the street with you know

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the the dvds the literature

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but then when there were the the

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occasions of a politician

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or somebody powerful that might have

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been part of the cover-up

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or needed to be awake or what was their

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opinion on 9 11

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yeah we would definitely get together

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for that and yeah we're doing these

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ambush pieces like that

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just like you would see luke radowsky

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when he first approached uh

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big new brzezinski you know stuff like

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that yeah i mean it was uh here in a way

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i agree with it more because i think i

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think the way that the way they were

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handling it i think

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you know they were they were just

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basically accusing these people of being

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part of the conspiracy and it's just

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kind of silly because when you look at a

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supigno brzezinski you're going to call

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him and say he's part of the conspiracy

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his wife

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daughter micah brzezinski works for nbc

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she was down on the street and she

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almost got killed on 9 11. right

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you know it was actually not far from

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all of it falling down so

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it's really ridiculous it's it just

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tells you the

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truth move it's not it was not very well

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researched when it came to 911.

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yeah so so we are change la is kind of

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i guess doesn't really exist in that

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form anymore no it doesn't really

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kind of essentially like um disappeared

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uh yeah what's what what happened to it

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over the years how did it how did it

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change how did it grow

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starts at probably i would say oh nine

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went to the central coast and i went to

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central california and i was kind of

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also within orange county so i was for

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kind of gone but i would still talk to a

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lot of our members from we are change la

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i still talk to people and in fact i

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actual meeting just because some of the

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members would be there whether it's a

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film screening or you know some speaking

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occasionally functional at that level

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but i was gone from the group from like

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and you know with 2000 after tito with

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2013 or really the end of 2012 because

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december 2012 so 2013

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around and i you know i didn't speak up

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to any messages to the people who were

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so when i came back about three years

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later i came to a meeting and i hadn't

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and there was only five members now i

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mean it already dwindled down it had you

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know it died off lost members from

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other from the steering committee story

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committee drama

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the big thing was the occupy movement

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that really killed us

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off a lot because people got distracted

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people got upset because we went and

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joined that too and you know it was just

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a lot of a lot of just mistrust

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so with the sandy hook thing like people

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staged yes we had we had about five

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he didn't entirely believe that but he

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kind of entertained it because these

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guys were always talking about it they

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were always watching jones and following

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you know fetzer and you know wolfgang

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how big you know they were

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all into that and i already knew was

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garbage just because

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i even knew people from l.a that were

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and actually knew a police officer that

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went to the crime and eric 911 truther

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and then you know and then you find out

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about lenny posner's one is he's even a

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conspiracy theorist

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911 truther alex jones listener and i'm

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like wait a minute this

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can't be you know you know we're you

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know conspiracy theories are kind of

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popular at this level

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we have social media you know you know

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you can basically connect with anybody

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to confirm things or you know just to

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keep in touch

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with reality and these people they just

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kind of weren't they were just being

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amazed by all these random youtube

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videos are coming up i remember the

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evening of sandy hook

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like that night like there was 10 videos

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already up

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people already making these whole thing

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about the way robbie parker reacted and

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then there were

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the they were saying one of the kids

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wasn't wasn't actually in the in the

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photo

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or you know was the wrong kid dead and

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then that even that

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ended up being wrong but they still kept

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going and then it's all of a sudden

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there's the

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the likes sir signals trying to say that

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the the porta potties were just kind of

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like brought in

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you know on short notice just kind of

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like all these really silly things

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but that took up our group extensively

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so i'm in there i'm gonna you know we

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are changing la group

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meeting and that's all they're talking

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about you know they're still i'm like

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you know they were not only that talking

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about that they were talking about the

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boston bombing being fake too

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and i'm just like whoa whoa wait wait

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wait a minute we need to talk about 9 11

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again

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because because i was telling them

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because i'm finding out a lot of things

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that you know

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we didn't address years ago and i think

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we should be

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focused on that because first of all

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sandy hook is this whole thing is bs and

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i

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had an exodus from alex jones

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they already hated alex jones you know

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they already didn't trust him

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but why were these people still

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preserving

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all the bs that they already learned

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from him it's like

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where do you guys where do you guys

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start to call him a shill where do you

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guys start to call him

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not pure or whatever whatever they've

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gone beyond alex jones even it's uh

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yeah do you think like the group did the

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did the individuals within the group

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like really change from like this you

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know fairly baseline ordinary 911

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conspiracy to these

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more you know more extreme conspiracies

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like like chemtrails and the sandy hook

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stuff

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was that actually a change within the

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group or was it kind of like

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whittling away like people left and then

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the only people who remained were these

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these more extreme people yes that's

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basically it that's basically it

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that that and then it you know there was

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already the chemtrails were already

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there there was also always the anti-gmo

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thing

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and i was like i i understand

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but it's like we're trying to deal with

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you know foreign policy you know with

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all the problems of 911. why are we

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getting

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distracted with that but then came the

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chemtrails right afterwards and you know

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that's when

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mike murphy just kind of moved in from

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from the chicago we are change

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and a year later he's already trying to

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he's already working with some of the

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other some other locals

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and they're already trying to put out a

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film and they were the ones telling us

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about

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oh man you got to look at this whole

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thing of chemtrails and it was slowly

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coming up as a subject

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you know on info awards and then you

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know and it just started kind of growing

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and like i already mentioned about the

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occupy thing

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but but then the sandy hook thing i mean

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it's just

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these people were just so so adamant

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about it you know they did not want to

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do

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any exploratory investigation themselves

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they were just

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completely counting off just all these

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rumors started off of youtube

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and that's fun yeah so i was wondering

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like you know there used to be like more

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people who went to the we are change

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meetings who were

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those you know 911 people just you know

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911 is an inside job

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of some sort did did they just yeah

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scattered of the four winds or

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did they form other groups or do you

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know what they're doing now

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they kind of scattered because you know

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ironically around right around the same

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time as the

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occupy thing it was also the same year

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that the

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the osama bin laden was assassinated you

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know and that

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really kind of just oh you know people

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were just like oh now i gotta deal with

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that

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you know i've gotta do the truth movie

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was kind of like oh i gotta deal with

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that now

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so i think it became even a turn off for

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some people but

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at that point there was always there was

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also the fear of 2012 itself you know

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so a lot of people kind of also ascribe

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to that and

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also buying all the dollars going to

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crash fear-mongering that you know all

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that so they

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so people kind of like a lot of people

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just kind of moved out of la you know um

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the people that were in the movement

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they just kind of were just kind of just

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yeah they were apparently you know the

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fear of 2012 like just like the the

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mayan calendar thing

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yeah the mind thing yeah yeah and then

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just all the fear-mongering just from

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alex jones and all

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you know just gerald celente and all

443
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these other people just kept telling you

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the dollar's gonna crash

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shit's gonna hit the fan you know and

446
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then then it never does

447
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no it does yeah exactly

448
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do you know uh you know steve wright uh

449
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from uh

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was he there when you were there tall

451
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guy

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if you're in contact with him i would

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love to talk to him because

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you know what he was right about some

455
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things yeah and he was the one that

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referenced

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your website to us

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you know but uh it was actually

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interesting i actually brought him i

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actually talked about

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him in a little video i shared with some

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people just because

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he was he was at least brave enough to

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show up

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with the images from the the pentagon

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you know he's trying to test everyone's

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you know beliefs but he started with the

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pentagon and you know it was the first

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time i actually seen the clear shot of

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the hole

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and i've never seen it i'm like oh my

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god and you know when he came up to me

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he was just

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you know i told him i like look either

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something hit you know either some kind

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of drone hit it or

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pop possibly flight 77 hit and he goes

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oh really so

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you know steven told me oh really you

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think you think that's possible you

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better play

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the plane actually hit it oh yeah so

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what if i show you a photo you know

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and he shows it to me i'm just like

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nobody showed me that photo i'm like

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yeah

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so he was uh he was a win-win situation

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for him there

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so it was cool yeah i remember he he

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told me like i talked to him i

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interviewed him for my book he uh

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and this guy one of the chapters in the

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book is basically the interviewer i had

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with him

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uh and you know he talked a lot about

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the the way i changed

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stuff and for him i think it was the

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chemtrails thing

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that kind of started to unravel his uh

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his his belief system and then he

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he thought you know if chemtrails are

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not real then what else might not be

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real in terms of you know what

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this group is saying uh that's that's

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great

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because i remember another older

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gentleman that we had in our group

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who worked for boeing and he wasn't

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buying it either and he just we started

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getting into a rent with one of our

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leaders

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and you know all of a sudden he's kind

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of kicked out so it just kind of like

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you know we weren't even tolerating

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people who were saying no to this whole

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thing on

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chemtrails so that's i didn't know that

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was the reason that started

519
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that's why stephen wright had left i

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don't blame him

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yeah it's yeah it's people sometimes

522
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uh liking like conspiracy theories to to

523
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:00,959
cults

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yeah do you do you see that at all do

525
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you see like a kind of a cult like

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behavior

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it is a cult it is a cult i'll totally

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admit it it is a cult

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very much it's based from i i'll have to

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share i mean i put a lot of blame on to

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it

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saying that that kind of

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belief and thinking system didn't exist

534
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before but

535
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you know we're living in a different age

536
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now we've you know it's not you know

537
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it's not just the technology thing with

538
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the internet it's the whole thing just

539
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with 9 11. it's a huge

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event and it was a spectacular terrorist

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attack

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and unfortunately you have your

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opportunists that are making it seem

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like it's something else than

545
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what it was yeah so and unfortunately

546
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that that yeah yeah it's it's

547
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it's totally a cult and you know it's

548
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unfortunate it's very easy to for people

549
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:49,600
to fall into because there's a lot of

550
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:50,960
emotional attachment

551
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:53,120
to it so yeah i think with cults like

552
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the people often think that cults

553
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they they usually center around a a

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charismatic leader like the person who

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is the

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the guru or whatever like yeah you know

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and uh scientologists have

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elrond hubbard he used to have ron

559
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hubbard uh

560
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but you know at some point i guess like

561
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with a with a cult you don't need a

562
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:11,280
leader anymore and just the belief

563
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system of the cult itself

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takes over you know they don't you know

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the scientologists don't have l ron

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00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:17,679
hubbard anymore but they're still

567
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:19,760
they're still scientologists but with

568
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:21,280
with this type of thing though with

569
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,520
chemtrails and 911 and everything i mean

570
00:18:27,909 --> 00:18:25,200
i guess like alex jones is

571
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:27,919
in some ways a central figure but then

572
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,679
that you you reject him like so the

573
00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:31,200
people in your group started rejecting

574
00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:32,160
him because he wasn't

575
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:35,039
extreme enough maybe and then they move

576
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:36,000
on to be

577
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:38,559
like a cult of their own like kind of an

578
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:39,760
offshoot

579
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:41,919
yeah i don't want to like obviously cast

580
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,200
everybody who

581
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:45,360
has some suspicions about 911 as being

582
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,480
cultists but i'm just

583
00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:48,720
referring it specifically to this this

584
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:49,919
this group of people

585
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:52,240
you know back it's like default almost

586
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:53,280
yeah it's like

587
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:56,160
yeah yeah it's a belief a belief system

588
00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:56,640
but

589
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,799
you know the thing that steve told me

590
00:19:02,310 --> 00:19:00,720
was uh

591
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,320
you know it's kind of a social scene in

592
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:04,320
a way like people

593
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:06,880
people's social lives revolved around

594
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,480
this group

595
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:10,400
and you go to meetings and you know

596
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:11,679
you'd have a good time because that's

597
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,960
where all your friends were and you had

598
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,240
people who believe the same thing that

599
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:15,919
you believe totally right

600
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:18,960
he was totally right yeah and but here's

601
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,960
the unfortunate thing at least

602
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:23,039
i mean compared to now now no one meets

603
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:24,000
up and goes anywhere

604
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,760
i mean at least then there was the

605
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,200
person-to-person you know

606
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,600
communication now it's not it's just

607
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:31,280
it's just all these echo chambers and

608
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:32,240
people just

609
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:35,760
memes memes memes

610
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:37,280
there's no communication even going on

611
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:38,960
there's no even real debate

612
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:42,640
you know i do see uh people meeting now

613
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:46,160
online i mean not just you know

614
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,840
facebook things people actually do like

615
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:49,600
these chat rooms where they get together

616
00:19:51,909 --> 00:19:50,559
and talk but i

617
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:51,919
see that mostly in the flat earth

618
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:55,039
community i i think there must be

619
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:56,799
people who do that in the 911

620
00:20:02,549 --> 00:19:58,960
communities and chemtrail communities

621
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,559
but i i've not seen them there's there's

622
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:03,840
been i mean i know of

623
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:07,679
i know of um what you call conference

624
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,240
calls

625
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:10,480
people have done that sure there's but i

626
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,760
don't think that kind of com

627
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:13,440
that kind of discussion necessarily goes

628
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:14,799
anymore just because

629
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,960
people are too distracted on you know on

630
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:18,880
on which plane or which building or what

631
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:19,600
you know it's

632
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,240
too many variables i guess but you know

633
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:24,240
i guess it's kind of taken the place of

634
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:25,840
these these local meetups

635
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:27,679
and obviously you're you are

636
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,559
geographically geographically limited

637
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,159
l.a of course you had a huge amount of

638
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:34,799
people uh i i lived in la

639
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,240
uh around that time and uh i actually

640
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:40,480
i met some of the people like uh i don't

641
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:42,080
know if they're the way i change people

642
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:43,760
but i met some of the people who were in

643
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:44,240
michael j

644
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:47,200
murphy's circle these are set up tables

645
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:49,280
uh down on uh venice beach or down in

646
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,559
santa monica

647
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:52,960
and hand out leaflets to people and i

648
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:55,440
would go down there and uh chat to them

649
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:57,760
and uh i know steve did that as well

650
00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:59,760
steve uh would go and uh

651
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:02,480
kind of harangue his old his old buddies

652
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,360
yeah

653
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:05,200
that's that's totally true and the wind

654
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:06,559
that like the people that murphy was

655
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,280
bringing there

656
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,200
were usually they were usually we are

657
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:10,960
change la people

658
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,559
because you know for a time i mean

659
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,320
that's all that's all that murphy could

660
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,400
promote to me he didn't have anything

661
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,720
he tried to set up a whole separate you

662
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,720
know group on meetup to do this but it's

663
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,400
just like it was just kind of like

664
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:24,400
what was the point you know it's you

665
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,600
know what's happening

666
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:27,120
there's not much to do what do you hold

667
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:36,870
michael j murphy did this this this film

668
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:39,600
uh what in the world are they spraying

669
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,480
which was actually

670
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,400
you know quite quite popular at the time

671
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,159
a lot of people

672
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:46,320
and it uh got a lot of attention from

673
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,600
the media and it kind of was

674
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,200
kind of a big step up for the whole

675
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,600
chemtrail conspiracy thing

676
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:54,000
did that come from within the we are

677
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:54,799
change

678
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,080
group yeah the beginning

679
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,559
scenes i freak like i forget all the you

680
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,080
know the the technical

681
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,080
research and you know their so-called

682
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,600
research but

683
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,200
the beginning of the film they're

684
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,799
supposed to be at some

685
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,559
geo-engineering conference with some

686
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:13,520
scientists some people in san diego

687
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,559
and who's there is bruno's there so is

688
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,480
uh the other guy stephen i forget his

689
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:20,559
name and then i i believe jeremy ross

690
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,760
kichell was there

691
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:23,360
so there was three people from we are

692
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,799
changed already there and mike murphy's

693
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:26,400
there too you know but you know he's a

694
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,520
transplant he's from

695
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:30,080
he's from chicago originally so you know

696
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,440
there there's your three

697
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,840
there's at least a couple of the core we

698
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,320
are change la people so yeah it started

699
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:39,360
from going to that you know

700
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,720
to this this uh this conference on geo

701
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,039
engineering or something to do with

702
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,280
something i forget exactly what it was

703
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,720
but that's how it started

704
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,400
so once they filmed that you know they

705
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:52,080
just kind of built a documentary and it

706
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,280
was just mostly

707
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:56,080
mike murphy and one other guy that used

708
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,280
to do

709
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:59,600
a little bit of films from we are change

710
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,640
uh

711
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:03,200
paul winterberg paul wittenberg i've

712
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,159
talked to him on

713
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,760
on facebook i don't i don't remember

714
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,600
ever meeting him in person like

715
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,440
even though i may have been in the

716
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,360
presence in the company of him

717
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,919
but you know they got up they like they

718
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,799
kicked that off

719
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,480
you know they they put that together

720
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,159
there was all this talk you know we

721
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:20,480
even raised money i guess i think there

722
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,280
was even

723
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,720
you know try to raise money to make the

724
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,640
film so we're already even getting into

725
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,720
the research we're already even seeing

726
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,400
short videos of everything already

727
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,000
before the completed thing

728
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,400
completed product you know came out but

729
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,080
then once the product came out there was

730
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,240
already a fallout between uh

731
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,360
mike murphy and paul wittenberger and

732
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,600
uh paul wittenberger is obviously more

733
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:43,200
computer literate you know

734
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,720
he really worked he was already starting

735
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,559
to work in the film industry

736
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,799
uh you know mike murphy you know he's

737
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,559
kind of just kind of this

738
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,880
ex party kind of person i know he got i

739
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,320
know he got into some kind of

740
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,240
i think he was doing substitute school

741
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,240
substitute teaching teaching in school

742
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,919
i think it's definitely math teaching i

743
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,600
think he said yeah yeah

744
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,960
yeah yeah that's i think that's what it

745
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:05,200
was it that was what he did

746
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:06,400
but you know he didn't have he didn't

747
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:07,840
know anything he didn't know anything of

748
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:08,480
you know

749
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,240
as far as internet social media and

750
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:12,080
especially with as that being you know

751
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,000
the way to promote and advertise thing

752
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,919
i kind of like you know i told hey i'll

753
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:17,440
help you with that and at the moment at

754
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,000
that time

755
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,640
simultaneously i was already doing this

756
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:22,480
t-shirt thing i was printing out my own

757
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:25,520
line of 911 truth t-shirts at the time

758
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:28,000
so it was kind of like yeah i'll also

759
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:29,360
print one of your shirts i'll show you

760
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,840
how to

761
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,760
promote on my space on all the social

762
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,120
media sites to do vin

763
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:36,400
uh to do um consignment for your dvds at

764
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:37,840
stores you know

765
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,440
um all that stuff so

766
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:43,440
but you know while all that was going on

767
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:45,039
i was hearing all this

768
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,400
drama he had with that with wittenberger

769
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,799
and it just kind of like wow you know uh

770
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:52,159
i didn't get into the middle of it i

771
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,960
just like you know

772
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,200
i'm just mostly into 9 11 truth you know

773
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:57,120
you know and murphy would hang out a lot

774
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,799
came over my place quite a bit

775
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,640
i drove him you know i drove him around

776
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,480
to do some of these conventions to

777
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:04,960
to vend like even we even vended one

778
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,039
time in the parking lot outside the

779
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:10,000
one of the uh david ike speaking

780
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,600
engagements one of the seven hour eight

781
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,039
hour ones he did

782
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,440
uh you know we we went to some kind of

783
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:17,600
also convention with with chiropractors

784
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,320
too

785
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,799
you know uh chiropractors yeah yeah we

786
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,480
did that orange county yeah

787
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,760
you know uh you know because he was

788
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:25,200
because there was a lot of health you

789
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,600
know

790
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:27,440
i guess so yeah the chiropractors are a

791
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:29,120
bit uh you know they they

792
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,640
i don't know they flirt with the fringe

793
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,039
of medicine

794
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:35,120
i didn't realize that until i went to

795
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:36,400
them

796
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:39,600
yeah that was a learning experience but

797
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:40,159
i was like

798
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,840
yeah new agey type remedies

799
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,679
so so you were doing all this stuff with

800
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,600
with with michael j murphy and

801
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,520
helping him promote the film but did you

802
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:51,440
believe in the the chemtrail stuff at

803
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:51,679
all

804
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:56,240
that period you know i mean he even did

805
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:56,799
like

806
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,720
talking about you know regular bs

807
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,240
whether it was the drama of chemtrails

808
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,320
or stuff on alex jones what whatever

809
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,480
yeah stay over for a few hours and a

810
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:08,159
couple times he even did some of his

811
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,840
radio interviews at my place from his

812
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,760
cell phone like even for

813
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,919
for uh george nori and the coast to

814
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,039
coast he

815
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,360
one of them he got into a it turned into

816
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,480
an argument and the

817
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:19,919
you know the interview ended up getting

818
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,029
but yeah the most interesting the most

819
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,720
interesting conversation it wasn't in

820
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,159
radio interview

821
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,559
but you know it's the precursor until

822
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:32,240
you know until he made his uh

823
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:36,320
uh appearance on joe rogan um

824
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,760
he uh he got a phone call from

825
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,760
uh for g edward griffin you know g

826
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,760
edward griffin what you know invested

827
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:44,960
into the first film

828
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:47,120
right but g edgar griffin was being

829
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,720
approached by somebody

830
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,880
who was challenging murphy who was a 911

831
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,400
truth or a conspiracy theorist but

832
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,240
didn't believe the chemtrails thing

833
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,159
didn't believe the results from the mud

834
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:58,240
you know you know it turns out to be

835
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,440
this website that

836
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,200
he gets confronted with with joe rogan

837
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,640
because it's i know it was that

838
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,760
challenge

839
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,600
so edward griffin was asking him so why

840
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,960
don't you just call this guy

841
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,200
talk to him be professional just see it

842
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:11,200
test it out he said no no no no he was

843
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,520
like

844
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,200
no you don't give these people anything

845
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,520
you don't give him a second

846
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,440
made up all this really you know loud

847
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,120
about it but from that point

848
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,559
i that's where i pretty sure griffin

849
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,399
did not become interested didn't want to

850
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:25,919
work with him ever ever since that you

851
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,840
know he didn't invest into the

852
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,840
into the second film or produced a

853
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,520
second didn't help with that at all

854
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:34,000
g edward griffin he was like um he's

855
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,360
kind of an old-school

856
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:37,120
conspiracy theorist guy and he's written

857
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,559
some books about like the federal

858
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,000
reserve and things like that

859
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,200
and uh yes yeah and i guess it's just

860
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,840
the jekyll island yeah yeah the creature

861
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,399
from triple island yeah uh

862
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:50,799
yeah and he but he and then he got in as

863
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:51,679
a

864
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:58,159
this is

865
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:01,760
infowars distribution

866
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:04,720
if if edward wasn't in it it would have

867
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:05,120
not

868
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:06,799
like it wouldn't have caught it wouldn't

869
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,440
have caught on to alex jones by itself

870
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,520
because he was involved that's what but

871
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,200
then i also found out like what was

872
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,880
their deal on all that when they had the

873
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,000
dvds there for sale

874
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,960
from infowars you know and of course you

875
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:20,159
remember this at the same time

876
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,919
youtube's starting to grow so you know

877
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:23,120
not very many people are making their

878
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,880
money on documentaries at this point

879
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,159
because everybody's just watched them on

880
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:28,720
youtube yeah so he was only getting a

881
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:29,360
dollar

882
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,440
for each dvd being sold from jones

883
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,840
so yeah yeah so you're not uh it's not

884
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:37,200
not a big money maker i think a lot of

885
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,000
people think that

886
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,840
you know these people who promote these

887
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:41,440
things are making loads and loads of

888
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,240
money but

889
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,279
uh it's quite hard to make money

890
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,279
unless you're unless you're alex jones

891
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:48,960
unless you can actually get it

892
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,799
occurring yeah i don't think making a

893
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,399
documentary is going to make you that

894
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:56,080
much money i think loose changed it

895
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:56,880
fairly well

896
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:59,679
uh yeah yeah that would have been back

897
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,159
in the

898
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,480
early days of youtube and they've

899
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,919
actually managed to sell a bunch of

900
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,200
copies

901
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,440
oh yeah they did and i believe what i've

902
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,360
been told is jones just had to grab that

903
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,039
because he wanted that you know part

904
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,159
he wanted that tinfoil capital for his

905
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:16,960
you know for in his lone state of texas

906
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:17,600
yeah you know

907
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,320
one star state of texas yeah so so

908
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:22,399
griffin like kind of dropped out

909
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,470
and like i said yeah yeah i believe that

910
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,480
you know i i totally thought it was but

911
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,240
when i started to see kind of you know

912
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:37,520
his character and his background

913
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,720
character one one of the things that

914
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,240
kind of bothered me was is that

915
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,440
is that he how he liked

916
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,840
uh the kimchi this whole thing was just

917
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,360
because it really

918
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:49,200
kind of it freaked people out and he

919
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,480
liked the paralytic

920
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,640
the paralyzed effect that people would

921
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:54,080
get you know from watching it from his

922
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,679
screenings or you know

923
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,200
and you know he did he'd laugh and tell

924
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:58,799
me like like you know there are these

925
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:59,279
moments

926
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:02,559
there'd be like a woman freaking out

927
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:02,960
like

928
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:06,240
know

929
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,840
and he would like he liked the fact that

930
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:09,360
he would just kind of have to be come in

931
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,559
there and just kind of

932
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,480
have to calm them down you know calm her

933
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,240
down like a like a

934
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,679
is this michael are you talking about

935
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:17,600
michael j murphy now yeah michael murphy

936
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:18,159
yeah

937
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,600
second mil

938
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,760
when did he did he did this joe rogan

939
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:25,840
thing uh which was i was also on the

940
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:26,399
same

941
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:30,000
show uh and you know people described

942
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:31,440
this as being a bit of a

943
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,200
an ambush in that joe rogan

944
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,200
set out to make michael j murphy look

945
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:38,960
bad uh what was your

946
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:45,590
it wasn't it was an ambush but i tell

947
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:46,480
you what uh

948
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:49,600
for my from for myself knowing what how

949
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,000
he

950
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:53,120
challenge

951
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,840
there uh i forget who the guy was

952
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,159
uh i think he kind of deserved it i i

953
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,320
was shocked when i saw it i'm like

954
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,159
i'm like because i was witness i was a

955
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,000
witness to this because i was like

956
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,760
you know murphy could have took care of

957
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:09,360
this he could have took care of that you

958
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:10,399
know he could have talked to the guy

959
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,200
already

960
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:13,120
but you know he lost he because he

961
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,320
didn't do that

962
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,799
he's getting ambushed he already lost

963
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,640
you know uh g edward griffin as a you

964
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:20,480
know as a backer so i was just like dude

965
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:21,200
this is your

966
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,960
of your ego you know

967
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,799
was it uh was it my website that this

968
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,120
year the contrail science website

969
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:31,679
i don't think it was uh somebody in

970
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:32,559
california

971
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:36,080
remember with somebody else back

972
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,230
okay uh yeah i wonder who that was so

973
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,320
yeah i remember like one thing um

974
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,159
was it oh no that was the other guy

975
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,760
there was the other guy who believed in

976
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,279
aliens

977
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:51,919
uh the guy from well he had something on

978
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,320
the

979
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:55,440
trying to say about rogan you know point

980
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,080
you know

981
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:59,039
ambushing uh murphy was because like on

982
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,000
the show they

983
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:02,240
they they zoomed in on the alien logo he

984
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:03,039
had on his

985
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,710
oh well yeah

986
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,880
i heard like some other things about the

987
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,159
way i change group

988
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:16,159
that they had some strange beliefs about

989
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,360
like uh

990
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:19,279
jewish bloodlines do you know anything

991
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,559
about that like how the illuminati

992
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:25,600
is the azan khani jews i don't know what

993
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,480
the the

994
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:28,799
word is exactly you remember anything of

995
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,840
that

996
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,840
to be honest with you i mean it just

997
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:33,360
that we are changing our way just would

998
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,720
never get go that far

999
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,720
into the whole jewish intrigue or

1000
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,320
anything like that i mean we had we had

1001
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:39,760
jewish members in our group too

1002
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,559
so yeah that never that never really

1003
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,240
became no

1004
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,640
well we addressed the israeli stuff yeah

1005
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:48,320
we would you know we'd talk about that

1006
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:51,210
you know like israeli intelligence

1007
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,559
[Music]

1008
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,880
yeah where they thought that there were

1009
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,480
these five guys dancing

1010
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:58,080
yeah and they have said they were

1011
00:33:03,350 --> 00:32:59,760
arrested i think

1012
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,360
yeah so so like you know you said you

1013
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,840
you were shown things like the pentagon

1014
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:07,600
hall like steve showed you this photo

1015
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,559
and this kind of like

1016
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,240
made you think about that what what was

1017
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,720
like some other things that kind of

1018
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,480
made you move away from the kind of

1019
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,880
hardcore uh beliefs that you had back

1020
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,080
then

1021
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,559
um well you know to be honest with you

1022
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,080
even learning more about

1023
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:24,640
the the you know the mossad and things

1024
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:25,279
have

1025
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,880
of understanding like

1026
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,720
um how they've been able to infiltrate

1027
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,120
into real radical groups

1028
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:35,200
you start to realize like why do i why

1029
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,799
why would why should i subscribe to

1030
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:38,399
anything that removes

1031
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,399
the hijackers you know the arab

1032
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,840
operatives if you're

1033
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,679
trying to implicate this certain angle

1034
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,440
of foreign intelligence

1035
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,559
you know if you don't have these

1036
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,320
operatives there you're not going to be

1037
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,919
able to implicate them

1038
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:51,840
so when i started to really look at all

1039
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,640
the all the hijacker theories all the

1040
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:57,120
not you know the no phone call stuff and

1041
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,840
you know

1042
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,080
i will admit ryan dawson definitely

1043
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:02,159
persuaded me not persuaded me he started

1044
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,279
showing me

1045
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,799
other pieces of evidence i'm like hey

1046
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,120
there are still some anomalies here

1047
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,800
some of the things i started to notice

1048
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,639
was that

1049
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,399
on some cases there may have been

1050
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,240
additional hijackers that they did not

1051
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:16,000
know who they were but they were not

1052
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,280
able to identify

1053
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,119
and on some cases like i believe on

1054
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:20,720
flight 93 there may have been

1055
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:23,839
one hijacker who was not on board and

1056
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,240
that's

1057
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,560
that takes a long time to explain but

1058
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:28,159
then when i started to realize this and

1059
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,599
i'm realizing

1060
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,839
there's this complete other anomaly for

1061
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,440
real hijackers just

1062
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:36,079
just making it uh just making it more

1063
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:37,520
relevant than it was

1064
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,560
you know a complex operation when i

1065
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:41,760
started seeing this

1066
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,800
uh i you know i'm like

1067
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:47,200
i really should reconsider you know

1068
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,159
everything else

1069
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:51,040
uh you know um and another thing to be

1070
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,000
honest with you

1071
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:55,040
i when it came to building seven even

1072
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,720
when we are change la started

1073
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,480
i didn't understand why we were always

1074
00:35:03,589 --> 00:34:59,920
focusing on this building

1075
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,599
because nobody died in it so i i had a

1076
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,280
i thought that was weird about a because

1077
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:07,359
we were working with 891 truth from

1078
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,560
like like heavily big time with richard

1079
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:12,160
gage you know

1080
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,599
did you believe it like at one point

1081
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,280
though that you know

1082
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,880
building seven and the world trade

1083
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,320
center towers were

1084
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,160
brought down by control demolitions with

1085
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,400
pre-planted explosives and everything

1086
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,640
well building seven i i used to believe

1087
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:26,079
totally i totally believe that i mean i

1088
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:27,119
used to believe it was the bush

1089
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,400
administration i thought it was

1090
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,160
you know a cia operation i thought i was

1091
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,240
all you know a very domestic

1092
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,800
conspiracy theory that's that's what i

1093
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,760
used to believe

1094
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,320
but with building seven uh well let me

1095
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,920
just just clarify with the world trade

1096
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:41,280
center with the twin towers it

1097
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,880
is i don't believe in controlled

1098
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:45,040
demolition like but i do believe that

1099
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,480
there were explosives in there

1100
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:48,160
now i don't believe that they were they

1101
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:49,440
were it doesn't mean that i believe that

1102
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,240
they were

1103
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,440
cia or fbi or some you know i don't even

1104
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,440
i'm not even certain if it was even

1105
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,040
for the the issue of the dancing

1106
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,200
israelis i'm not even sure if it was

1107
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,599
israeli operatives that did it i am

1108
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,119
comfortable to say that there were

1109
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:05,680
arab operatives that did it and i have a

1110
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,400
pretty good

1111
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:09,119
case to to you know to make an example

1112
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,440
of

1113
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:11,440
very good evidence on that but with

1114
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,960
building seven

1115
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:15,200
really the iran the the the pascal

1116
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:16,320
building with iran

1117
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,839
with the with that that building falling

1118
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:19,359
down that really

1119
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:20,800
that really changed for me but

1120
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:23,280
interesting so yeah that's what started

1121
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,560
to be because

1122
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,480
before that a couple of years before

1123
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,320
that i was already kind of

1124
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,400
questioning that maybe they put

1125
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,680
explosives

1126
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:34,079
after the twin towers came down because

1127
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:35,440
maybe they wanted to bring building

1128
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,560
seven down because

1129
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,240
it was too damaged you know maybe that's

1130
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,320
what pull it really meant maybe that's

1131
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,920
why they cleared off all the streets

1132
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:43,680
and the reason why i believe that is

1133
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:46,160
because if you listen to the entire

1134
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,200
danny joannko

1135
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,680
the uh the demolition expert from from

1136
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:51,520
north of smallway or sweden

1137
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,800
one who was completely referenced from

1138
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,040
architects and engineers for 911 truth

1139
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,560
the one that gets shown building seven

1140
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,119
and says oh demolition

1141
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:01,280
well when you listen to the entire

1142
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,240
interview

1143
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,240
you know ae only as it edits it and

1144
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:06,000
stops it at one point but when you

1145
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:07,920
listen to danny jalenko danny deleco

1146
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,720
says

1147
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,240
well though they must have worked had to

1148
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:12,160
work fast and he goes

1149
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,520
work faster so what do you mean he was

1150
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,960
like well i mean i don't know how

1151
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:17,359
polluted the area was or what was going

1152
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:17,920
on and

1153
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,240
what was their actress access point but

1154
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,079
that must have got in there and so

1155
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,599
and then the interview is saying to him

1156
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,440
oh so you're saying that they could have

1157
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,960
could have brought it down that day put

1158
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,000
explosives

1159
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,560
so yeah sure you know but it probably

1160
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,079
went to the bottom you know below and

1161
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,920
then put it into the center

1162
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,680
and you know and that's what brought in

1163
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,960
the center and then

1164
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,320
that's what kind of brought it down they

1165
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:40,240
went into the put it in the heart of the

1166
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,720
building

1167
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,000
and then i'm like thinking to myself

1168
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:43,760
well that actually makes more sense

1169
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:47,040
if that's what happened you know um

1170
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,480
so you're thinking the idea that

1171
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:50,320
somebody ran in with some explosives and

1172
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,720
i was

1173
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,720
walking a few hours wherever the crew

1174
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,240
you know put him on you know because

1175
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:56,079
i believed in the king thing but then

1176
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:57,440
when i you know when i finally got to

1177
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:57,760
see

1178
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,040
really falls

1179
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,680
from the uh the penthouse seeing that

1180
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,560
hollows out

1181
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,920
you're not you're not seeing a building

1182
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,520
that's all floors are intact that's

1183
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:08,880
coming down

1184
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,680
so once i saw that and then then what

1185
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,200
you think is the kink in the middle is

1186
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,359
really it being hollow and bending

1187
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,200
yeah that's what that's that's where

1188
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:18,880
i've been able to that's where i'm able

1189
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,760
to see it

1190
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,760
that's really interesting uh for me

1191
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,200
that's really interesting because like

1192
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,560
you know the things you mentioned there

1193
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,480
that kind of swayed here the

1194
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,000
collapse of the plasco building which is

1195
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:29,839
an iranian it was like a 17-story

1196
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:30,560
building in

1197
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,160
tehran and it's uh collapsed on fire

1198
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,320
but it kind of looks like both like

1199
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:38,160
aspects of the world trade center towers

1200
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,680
collapses and a bit like the world trade

1201
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,599
center seven collapses and so

1202
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,280
architects and engineers for 9 11 truth

1203
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,280
were kind of forced to say oh well this

1204
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,880
is probably like some kind of

1205
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,119
controlled demolition also and then you

1206
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,200
talk about like edward currant

1207
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,760
and edward currant has made uh he's a

1208
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:54,720
guy who

1209
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:58,880
i also interviewed for my book uh he

1210
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,599
he was very briefly a 911 truther for

1211
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,880
like a week or so

1212
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,400
until he you know he had a chat with his

1213
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,640
brother and he kind of sorted him out

1214
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,400
uh another truth in terms of controlled

1215
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,119
demolition and now he's made some nice

1216
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:13,200
videos about building seven kind of

1217
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,400
explaining how

1218
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,320
the collapse could have happened uh you

1219
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,839
know what the nist case is

1220
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:20,400
uh you know yeah that's evidence for

1221
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:21,040
that

1222
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,560
and so these two things have actually

1223
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,079
had an effect on you

1224
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:26,640
yeah well what i'd like to know though

1225
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:27,440
like how

1226
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:30,400
how how quickly did they have an effect

1227
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,440
on you how

1228
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:33,520
how how long did it take for them to

1229
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:34,640
actually

1230
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:37,599
change your mind not very long in a few

1231
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,079
minutes

1232
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:40,560
i mean what made me really finally like

1233
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:42,079
like look at i'm like you know what

1234
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,599
i'm gonna look at this building and

1235
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:46,160
actually not like try to imagine or try

1236
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,040
to do the

1237
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:49,200
that but looking at seeing it where it's

1238
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,800
where where everything is

1239
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,640
dismantling from beginning point you

1240
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,040
know and you know when i saw

1241
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,800
his film it did a great job of it

1242
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,480
because i never i never saw the sunlight

1243
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,760
coming through the window like that

1244
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,680
at all i've never never noticed that and

1245
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,520
then for my for me personally

1246
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:06,160
i always thought that the uh the bent

1247
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,720
house

1248
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,560
was further back i didn't know it was

1249
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,319
all the way up to the edge

1250
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,319
meaning that all the top filler not only

1251
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,000
thought you know

1252
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,839
you know i i thought like basically like

1253
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:17,280
the alaska

1254
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:20,800
they made it recently it just kind of

1255
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,359
like

1256
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,839
yeah it falls a few floors that's what i

1257
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,480
just kind of

1258
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,760
i didn't believe it fell all the way

1259
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:28,000
down you know and it went it fell all

1260
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,119
the way down but here's

1261
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:31,119
here's the thing and i i do want to i do

1262
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,040
want to mention this because this is

1263
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,560
pretty interesting i won't mention the

1264
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:36,079
actual name of the person who told me

1265
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,800
this

1266
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,880
okay but i will say it is somebody

1267
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,119
pretty prominent in the truth movement

1268
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,040
one of the reasons why i really made me

1269
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,960
consider to look at eddie current and

1270
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,640
look at the debunking videos

1271
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,400
there's even a better one from another

1272
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:51,040
uh studio another one that did that cgi

1273
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,800
forget i can't remember the name on hand

1274
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,800
but i was having doubts already about it

1275
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,240
and i was telling this person

1276
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,319
about my joanco theory because i told

1277
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,920
him i believe in the joanco theory

1278
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,119
i don't believe what you guys have been

1279
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:05,119
promoting with ae i believe it has

1280
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,640
nothing to do with the actual terrorist

1281
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,000
attack any and then

1282
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:10,079
this person said no no no you you you

1283
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:11,680
need to have a skype conversation with

1284
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,240
me

1285
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,760
so he has us got you know we hold the

1286
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,520
skype conversation

1287
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:18,240
and because i was telling him that i

1288
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,960
believe that

1289
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,359
if it was a demolition then a person i

1290
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,760
would suspect would be jerome howard

1291
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:26,160
jerome howard was the head of the

1292
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,520
emergency event

1293
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,000
officers of emergency management okay he

1294
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,760
was the head of cross security

1295
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,520
you know his you know his offices were

1296
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,040
in building seven

1297
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:37,920
okay he also had worked with the uh uh

1298
00:42:06,790 --> 00:41:38,319
the

1299
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,800
currently he's jewish okay

1300
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,880
and you know even currently right now he

1301
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,480
works for um

1302
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,800
chair top michael chertoff group another

1303
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:14,240
person that's highly suspected in the

1304
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:15,440
truth movement is being part of the

1305
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,000
cover

1306
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,200
being a conspirator whatever

1307
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,599
so i've had all this all this weight on

1308
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,440
jerome howard

1309
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,040
and i told this person about that i'm

1310
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,200
like i would suspect that he would be

1311
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,359
had been involved because not only that

1312
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,280
he is the first person to appear

1313
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:33,920
on tv to say that you know i think that

1314
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,480
you know i

1315
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:36,800
i think that the the planes and the

1316
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,520
fires

1317
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:39,200
brought boundaries down the entire

1318
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:40,720
building basically kind of what the

1319
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,200
truth

1320
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,440
would say setting up the already the

1321
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:45,280
commission report results

1322
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:48,400
uh you know so here's this prime suspect

1323
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,520
prime suspect to think hey if somebody

1324
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:54,000
rigged building 7 up for explosives it

1325
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:55,359
would be through this guy

1326
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,319
even though he's got too many

1327
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,960
connections right so when i told him

1328
00:43:03,109 --> 00:42:59,680
that

1329
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,119
met jerome now

1330
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:05,440
in new york and this and i i believe him

1331
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:06,160
because of

1332
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,000
who this person is and he said that

1333
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:12,240
interestingly he actually questioned him

1334
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,359
about the the the

1335
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,119
the uh cipro telling the white house to

1336
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,720
get on cipro he told them

1337
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,960
no uh no that's not true i never told

1338
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,880
the white house to go on surprise bs

1339
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,640
and he goes well how do you feel about

1340
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,560
you know the twin towers explosives

1341
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,560
within all three buildings he said in

1342
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,839
the twin towers

1343
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,680
he had not changed his opinion on that

1344
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,200
but he said building seven he thought it

1345
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:32,960
was a demolition

1346
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:36,079
hmm and i thought to myself

1347
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,079
wait a minute you guys are

1348
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,240
you guys are whole because i i was kind

1349
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:43,839
of so mad about this i'm like because

1350
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,480
this is a

1351
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,880
a very prominent person and he's made up

1352
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,319
he's made a statement like that

1353
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:50,319
and you've not done anything to release

1354
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:51,520
this statement

1355
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,040
that's strange yeah and almost like

1356
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,280
i'm like whoa it's somebody who was part

1357
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,960
of architects and engineers for 9 11

1358
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:59,680
sure

1359
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,760
not richard getty it's somebody from

1360
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,960
from that so

1361
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,480
that's what made me very upset i'm like

1362
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,319
wait you're withholding this from the

1363
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,119
organization i mean prime suspect number

1364
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,720
one for building seven and

1365
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:13,119
he he agrees with everybody that it

1366
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,160
wasn't demolition

1367
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:17,040
so i thought to myself if he can believe

1368
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,240
it's a demolition

1369
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:19,760
why should i believe it is one in the

1370
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,240
first place i mean he could be he's

1371
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,319
he's dumb i mean i don't agree with him

1372
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,240
on the twin towers i don't agree with

1373
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,640
with uh with him on the twin towers i

1374
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,680
think there's a lot more

1375
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,520
graphic evidence a lot more evidence for

1376
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,760
it but not with building seven so why

1377
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,119
would he

1378
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,040
i'm like he's just fooled like anybody

1379
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,119
else do you have like a

1380
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,960
like right now after all these years do

1381
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,480
you have

1382
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,640
kind of a clear idea in your head of

1383
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,240
what you think happened or do you still

1384
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:48,000
just have like a load of questions and

1385
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:51,280
the suspicions i have an idea of what

1386
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,400
certain things

1387
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,640
were supposed to happen i have an idea

1388
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,319
of where i think some things happen but

1389
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,920
i have a lot of questions of what didn't

1390
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:58,800
happen

1391
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:01,280
the one thing that i do know what's

1392
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,720
going to happen

1393
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:04,000
and people did not put this in the

1394
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,280
equation because it's not even talked

1395
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,960
about in the truth movement

1396
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,800
is that there were more planes that it

1397
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:10,800
was the 911 attacks

1398
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:14,079
were not uh an idea from the bojinka

1399
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,960
plot found from

1400
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,960
from ramsay yusuf in his laptop in in

1401
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,160
the philippines

1402
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:21,119
no it was the bojica plot they were

1403
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,240
going to hijack

1404
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,319
12 or more planes and there's a lot of

1405
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,599
evidence for this

1406
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:27,760
a lot of it just from not just from

1407
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,720
logan

1408
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:31,040
dulles and newark because there were

1409
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,160
additional flights but

1410
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:34,720
other airports mainly jfk airport

1411
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:35,760
laguardia

1412
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,280
atlanta chicago um cases of weapons

1413
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,880
being found cases of people

1414
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,480
suspicious middle eastern men leaving

1415
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:44,960
that day a

1416
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:48,079
lot so when i put that

1417
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,680
when i think about that what i think

1418
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,680
when i consider you know the two planes

1419
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,200
that reach the twin towers

1420
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,640
i don't doubt that they could have been

1421
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:56,160
more planes intended still to hit the

1422
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:56,960
twin towers

1423
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:59,520
and other targets still you know even my

1424
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,480
belief

1425
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:02,480
with flight 93 they say it was going to

1426
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,520
hit the the

1427
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,520
the the pentagon or the white house i

1428
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:06,960
think it was going to hit cia had great

1429
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:07,599
quarters

1430
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:10,880
that's where i think it was going to go

1431
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,440
because

1432
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,520
that is one of the main they wanted to

1433
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:15,440
make the attack to make it look like hey

1434
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,560
we'll hit you anywhere

1435
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,560
we'll hit your you'll hit your military

1436
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,000
we'll hit your defense

1437
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:23,119
doesn't matter so who do you think is

1438
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,800
behind the 911 attacks um

1439
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,880
that one i won't discuss because that's

1440
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,720
gonna get that i'm trying to work onto

1441
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,079
it as far as a book

1442
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,560
but i don't i don't disclo i don't

1443
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,960
discount that bin laden wasn't made

1444
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:39,119
i don't say that he wasn't involved i

1445
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,480
think he was an investor

1446
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:42,160
i think he would you know i think he he

1447
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,760
wasn't as far as that but i don't think

1448
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:44,800
he was the one who

1449
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,920
who centrally managed it yeah

1450
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,760
so i'll tell you off camera i'll tell

1451
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,200
you off camera but i won't i won't tell

1452
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:52,800
you

1453
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:57,440
kind of evolved

1454
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:01,280
i guess uh from your early days in 2008

1455
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:01,920
as a

1456
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:05,359
a 911 truther and sometime chemtrail

1457
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:08,720
believer uh into someone who's more

1458
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,630
like who is behind what happened with

1459
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,720
the planes and the geopolitical

1460
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,160
things and things like that and i think

1461
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:19,599
i've seen that a few times with other

1462
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:20,240
people

1463
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,920
uh who who have kind of i guess like

1464
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:26,160
over time you figure out

1465
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,520
the more ridiculous stuff is just

1466
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:29,119
ridiculous and then you're gonna move on

1467
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,720
and you kind of settle down

1468
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:33,119
into these uh these these other

1469
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,319
investigations

1470
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,480
do you do you work with other people who

1471
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:38,319
have been through like similar

1472
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,680
things to you yeah yes yeah i mean maybe

1473
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:43,200
not ones that have actually been in the

1474
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,920
actual

1475
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,839
groups but have kind of just paid

1476
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:47,520
attention from everything online for a

1477
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,480
long time

1478
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:51,119
just kind of yeah i mean one person i i

1479
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:52,480
talk with a lot is

1480
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,760
uh adam fitzgerald uh then you know

1481
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,440
what like you've did you've interviewed

1482
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,880
ryan dawson already

1483
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,960
um you know he's someone i've talked to

1484
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,480
but he was never

1485
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,559
an actual activist because you know he

1486
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,119
was also from south carolina

1487
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:10,000
but but i will i will tell you this it's

1488
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:10,720
been for me

1489
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,359
it's been like the transition has been

1490
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,440
like being an activist then now actually

1491
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,599
being a researcher an investigator

1492
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:19,760
because when i was in that activist mode

1493
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,839
i thought the research was done

1494
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,920
i thought all the investigating was done

1495
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,440
we were just you know but but seeing

1496
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:27,200
that that's not going anywhere

1497
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,720
and then there's people uncomfortable to

1498
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,400
talk about the israeli stuff

1499
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,960
and i didn't like that being ignored but

1500
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:34,880
then i also said but then now i also

1501
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,599
realized

1502
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,200
that what that the issue wasn't the

1503
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:39,200
omission of the omitting the israeli

1504
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,680
stuff

1505
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,839
it's really throwing away the arab rules

1506
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:43,440
throwing away they could be the

1507
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,319
conventional

1508
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,040
al qaeda rule yeah there's the attack

1509
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,480
you know you we have the intelligence

1510
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,760
agencies to blame for not

1511
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,440
letting the fbi know that they were in

1512
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:53,440
this country too there's all there's a

1513
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:54,240
lot of

1514
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:58,160
just want to get you know they just

1515
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,839
wanted they're more interested in

1516
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:01,920
proving their science model theory of 9

1517
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,040
11 right

1518
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,079
then getting it right do you

1519
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:08,319
uh research other things like the other

1520
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,200
things that people

1521
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,880
maybe would consider to be conspiracy

1522
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,480
theories that uh

1523
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:14,319
that you you are researching as part of

1524
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,079
this or are you entirely focused

1525
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,440
on this this one aspect 911 i'm only

1526
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,839
pretty much only focused on that but i

1527
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,240
but my research goes back to oklahoma

1528
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,480
city back to 1993

1529
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:28,240
and more interestingly and it's been for

1530
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,079
the past year back to the

1531
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:32,640
the bombing of pan am 103. that would

1532
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,119
have been

1533
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,440
i think one of my big things now is that

1534
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:37,280
the is that the lockerbie buying

1535
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,480
yes yeah so that was the ones uh i guess

1536
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:42,400
like the official story is that it was

1537
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:42,800
two

1538
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,920
to agents of libya yes who did it and

1539
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,440
they had a bomb

1540
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:50,079
is that is that somehow tied into like a

1541
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,960
like a

1542
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,319
broader narrative that you're talking

1543
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,359
about or like yeah the same people

1544
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,599
pretty much that's an interesting it's

1545
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:58,960
not a coincidence that it's not a

1546
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,680
coincidence that the hamburg cell

1547
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,240
but where the 911 operation and then

1548
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:05,920
where the bombing of pan am where

1549
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,880
the bomb originated from yeah that's an

1550
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:09,520
interesting

1551
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,079
that's why i'm trying to put that into a

1552
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,760
book yeah right right

1553
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,040
so you're working on a book that kind of

1554
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,800
encompasses this whole thing like so

1555
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,960
oklahoma city bombing papers films

1556
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:23,280
anything i can you know but it's a long

1557
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,240
it's a

1558
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:26,720
lot a lot to explain so how well just

1559
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,680
just like

1560
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,760
two things they you the oklahoma city

1561
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,079
bombing uh timothy mcveigh

1562
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:34,079
was executed for us and the other guy i

1563
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:35,599
can't remember his name

1564
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,359
uh and then the the lockerbie bombing

1565
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,920
the pan am bombing how are those two

1566
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,160
things connected

1567
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,880
well they could be connected uh well

1568
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:48,319
first of all you'd like to you have to

1569
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:49,440
consider the

1570
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:52,319
uh the middle eastern link in oklahoma

1571
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,119
city bombing

1572
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,680
okay um you know there's there they've

1573
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,760
never caught john doe number two

1574
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,599
it was a middle eastern middle eastern

1575
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,440
uh person and they said

1576
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,359
a lot of there's about 20 witnesses that

1577
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,520
say it was this gentleman named

1578
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,920
hussein al-husseini and this local

1579
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:08,640
journalist

1580
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:11,839
uh from oklahoma city um god what's her

1581
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,400
name

1582
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,880
jaina davis she covered the whole thing

1583
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:16,240
and she actually entered she actually

1584
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,440
interviewed him and

1585
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:19,760
you know was was actually kind of a

1586
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,559
witness

1587
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:22,400
of all this behavior of all this

1588
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:23,599
cover-up

1589
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:26,800
well this guy was seen with mcveigh

1590
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:29,040
and not only that he also worked for

1591
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,319
another this this

1592
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:32,720
this iraqi also worked for another man

1593
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,160
on real estate

1594
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,480
uh his name was dr abdul that's his name

1595
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:38,079
in the book it's not his real name

1596
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,680
they had to because of lawsuits they had

1597
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,280
to change the name

1598
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:43,040
and this guy was already on the

1599
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,559
terrorist watch list

1600
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,760
like even after the after the first 1993

1601
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,200
world trade center bombing

1602
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:52,400
and he's said to be plo linked now the

1603
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,760
thing about this whole thing is that

1604
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:55,280
it's been misconstrued because they

1605
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,839
tried to

1606
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:57,839
try to say that this was an iraqi

1607
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:58,960
conspiracy

1608
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:02,000
i don't think that's what what it was uh

1609
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:05,119
how that connects to how that now how

1610
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,400
that still connects to the 93 bombing

1611
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,079
um because i can't i can't make it work

1612
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:12,720
to 1988 i can make it connect to 93

1613
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:13,280
bombing

1614
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,480
very very many ways to connect it to

1615
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:20,960
8088 but from the 93 bombing

1616
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,760
to oklahoma city you have terry terry

1617
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,000
nichols going to the philippines

1618
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:28,880
and he's there are witnesses there that

1619
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,760
say that he was

1620
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,920
meeting with abu sayyaf learning bomb

1621
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,800
making

1622
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,720
there's that there's also that there's

1623
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,079
also when

1624
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,280
ramsay youssef's partner hakeem murad

1625
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,119
was in jail and when the oklahoma city

1626
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:43,280
bombing happened he was taking blame for

1627
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:44,640
he says this was actually

1628
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,440
pulled off by ramsay youssef's uh

1629
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:48,880
liberation army

1630
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,720
uh whatever title uh um there's also

1631
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,240
trying to remember with other links but

1632
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:56,400
there's there's quite a bit of

1633
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:59,920
middle east the middle east suspects um

1634
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:00,800
involved now

1635
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:04,400
like how how uh mcveigh got

1636
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:07,119
caught up you know it's up it's up for

1637
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:08,240
debate because

1638
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:09,520
you know they tried to say he was a

1639
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:12,079
white supremacist others say he wasn't

1640
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,040
he was actually

1641
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,760
even an arab sympathizer but not what

1642
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,440
you would call an islamist

1643
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:19,119
so that's that's what spread rather odd

1644
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,559
and yeah yeah he did fight

1645
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,640
you know in the the first gulf war and

1646
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,000
then there's also the theory that you

1647
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,319
know he was a

1648
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,480
cia agent you know infiltrating groups

1649
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,920
you know the alex jones that you know

1650
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,359
the alex jones narrative

1651
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:34,160
i don't know if that's all true i wonder

1652
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:36,079
but i do have questions about

1653
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,520
the other figure that was involved with

1654
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,800
elohim city

1655
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:43,040
uh andrea strauss mirror that one i'd be

1656
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:44,800
in here's the weird thing too

1657
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:48,559
andrea strauss mere german

1658
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:52,000
his uh father was not was was actually

1659
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,359
but

1660
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:55,440
there's questions about that he was uh i

1661
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:56,720
forget what he was

1662
00:54:03,990 --> 00:53:59,920
he went somewhere in the nazi party

1663
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:04,000
right but he's also his also his his uh

1664
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,040
his father was was uh

1665
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,079
police chief of hamburg so he's already

1666
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,920
has a presence already in hamburg

1667
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:12,960
ironically

1668
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:16,720
this andrea straussman so

1669
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,839
i see i i talk to a lot of people who

1670
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:22,079
who have like theories like this and you

1671
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,599
you get

1672
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,680
you know what what amounts to uh you

1673
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,920
know a web of names and connections and

1674
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:29,359
things like that

1675
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:32,319
yeah and it it seems like it's difficult

1676
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:33,280
to

1677
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,480
read all these accounts of things this

1678
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,400
person was here at this time and this

1679
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:46,240
person knew this person and this person

1680
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:47,920
said this about this and

1681
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:51,760
this person was seen can you actually

1682
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:55,440
form like a a good compelling case from

1683
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,160
this

1684
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,920
that would appeal to people other than

1685
00:55:02,710 --> 00:54:59,359
people you know like

1686
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,720
like you who are like really wanting to

1687
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:04,640
delve into the details i mean

1688
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,520
how what what would it look like if

1689
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:09,040
you're presenting this case

1690
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:12,000
to people and is it even possible it's

1691
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:13,520
possible because it's because we're

1692
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:14,960
dealing with organized crime

1693
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:16,640
and when you actually look into that

1694
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:19,040
when you actually i mean even

1695
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:22,480
even uh um god michael cherokov said

1696
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,799
there's no way to distinct terrorism

1697
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,079
from organized crime

1698
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,119
it's basically that's basically where

1699
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,960
that's where i see all this is being

1700
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,559
connected and

1701
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:35,359
yes the way you also trace it is from

1702
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:35,920
these

1703
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:41,119
that is the other way you trace it

1704
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,480
because there's many of them there's

1705
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:44,079
there's you know there's revolving doors

1706
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:48,000
too so if it's it's organized crime and

1707
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,920
yeah you've done all this investigation

1708
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,520
and you've you've you made these

1709
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:53,440
connections and stuff

1710
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:56,240
well why hasn't like the fbi and the caa

1711
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,839
done this are they are they part of the

1712
00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:59,599
plot or are they just

1713
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:02,319
not interested what's going on there oh

1714
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:03,440
my god that's

1715
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:10,230
from every oh well there's my god

1716
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,359
like i don't even know which one to

1717
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,839
start with uh which you know you bring

1718
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:15,200
up louis free do you

1719
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,599
bring up uh um cheese

1720
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,839
so you know what are you saying that

1721
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:24,079
that they are part of the plot and that

1722
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,599
no no no i'm saying not the fbi i'm not

1723
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,359
saying the fbi are part of the plot no

1724
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,040
but they have they part of the they're

1725
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,559
part of the cover-up yeah

1726
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,240
could there be some people in the fbi

1727
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,240
involved with it maybe

1728
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,400
i don't know you know i do question

1729
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:38,240
about people in the cia though

1730
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,400
you know but you know if if if you

1731
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,839
figured all this stuff out

1732
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,520
you know why haven't like a few special

1733
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:45,760
agents in the fbi figure today oh well

1734
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,319
i wonder if they do i wonder if they'd

1735
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,680
some of them do know

1736
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:51,359
and they just can't reveal i think a lot

1737
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:54,400
of it also ties into iran contra as well

1738
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:56,880
i think a lot of it if you were to if we

1739
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,480
were to find out a lot a lot of these

1740
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,920
groups that we've been funding

1741
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,760
we'll find out that it's also still tied

1742
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:03,200
into the same the

1743
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:06,559
drug trade arms trade hiring mercenaries

1744
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,119
you know

1745
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:09,280
all these all these crimes of moving

1746
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:10,880
proxies around so

1747
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,079
that's what i think it's about too so so

1748
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,079
what's your plan with uh with the book

1749
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,240
you think you'll get it done in a year

1750
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,000
or so

1751
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,839
i don't know yet but i'm still trying

1752
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,440
i'm still trying to put it all together

1753
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,359
because i'm working on each kind of

1754
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,040
i mean 911 is the most one that takes

1755
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,880
the longest because there's just so much

1756
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,640
hopefully someday i'd like to put it put

1757
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,799
something out by the 20-year anniversary

1758
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,640
are you are you working in any uh do you

1759
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,079
do any documentaries

1760
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,280
yourself yeah yeah i made i've made uh

1761
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:41,520
one a film called six on seventy seven i

1762
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,799
showed that there was

1763
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,880
a additional and i'm not saying that it

1764
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:46,559
was only six i think it could actually

1765
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:47,040
be

1766
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,799
them but that's takes a long time to

1767
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,760
explain

1768
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,839
and then i've also put out one about

1769
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:55,920
about uh some of the extra hijacking

1770
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,960
attempts

1771
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:58,559
i've got one that's kind of on the basic

1772
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:01,359
stuff just you know the explosives the

1773
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:03,920
israelis the you know all you know all

1774
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,640
the kind of

1775
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:07,520
general stuff but not not the outlandish

1776
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,319
you know

1777
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,160
yeah what kind of reaction are you

1778
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,400
getting from from people in the 911

1779
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:14,160
community when you put out uh you know

1780
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:14,799
these

1781
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,280
it some people

1782
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,440
some people are totally for it i mean

1783
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:23,599
some people just don't i mean i don't

1784
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,960
well at the same time i'm not getting

1785
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:27,119
the same kind of circulation data you

1786
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,880
don't get to say

1787
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,720
you know what the algorithms now and all

1788
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,000
that um

1789
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,559
my reactions i mean my responses for the

1790
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:36,240
most part they're good uh

1791
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,240
some people don't like it because i'm

1792
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:40,400
not talking about the cia here and the

1793
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,359
cia there

1794
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,720
i get a lot of those people like why

1795
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:44,240
aren't you talking about the bankers why

1796
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,599
aren't you

1797
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:47,200
because i don't see no evidence of that

1798
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,280
i'm trying to follow

1799
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:51,760
hard trails and actual organizations

1800
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:52,400
yeah

1801
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:54,799
interesting stuff well i look forward to

1802
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:56,079
to reading your book

1803
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:59,599
uh in a while i know how difficult it is

1804
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:00,480
to get a book out

1805
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:02,559
it took me uh quite a long time to get

1806
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:03,680
mine written

1807
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:06,079
so yeah yeah it's uh and obviously you

1808
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:07,680
want to read book actually

1809
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,200
actually yeah it's uh it's

1810
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,720
yeah you might find this stuff

1811
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:14,880
interesting about you know steve who was

1812
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,359
was uh yeah someone you knew

1813
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,200
yeah and that ed brotherton as well not

1814
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:21,200
a brotherton um

1815
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:24,480
what's his name edward said yeah yeah

1816
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,839
yeah i was thinking about recurrent the

1817
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:27,920
other guy no but there's something

1818
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,559
there's something

1819
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:30,720
about the the uh the title that you said

1820
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:32,000
because it's something i try to tell

1821
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,680
people too it's just like yeah you gotta

1822
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,520
talk about you guys talk about going

1823
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:36,960
into the rabbit hole but remember one

1824
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,440
thing

1825
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:40,079
it's a hole yeah you'll stay there

1826
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,599
you'll stay there scared and you'll

1827
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:44,240
yeah well uh i think we've done about an

1828
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,280
hour that was uh

1829
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,440
it was very interesting and uh yeah i

1830
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,599
really liked hearing your perspective on

1831
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:52,079
on the old days as it were well i guess

1832
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,000
that was like over 10 years ago

1833
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,280
now yeah yeah all right uh

1834
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,040
okay anything else you want to want to

1835
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,280
add before we uh we wrap things up um

1836
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:03,359
no that's just about it that's about it

1837
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:05,200
just check out my films i just have a i

1838
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,240
have a

1839
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,920
channel called truth or tv not

1840
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:10,079
necessarily the greatest name because

1841
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:12,839
i don't get along with those truthers